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[40/40] Leviathan - When you stare into the abyss, the abyss stares back at you.

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Google latest burgertown dlc glitches :) then come back to this review hehe

And? I don't see how they relate...
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If there is no possible way to get a 40/40 then we shouldn't even hold it out there as the goal to achieve. Compared to  other maps out there that have gotten very high scores I feel this map out does them all and goes further still.

I disagree with you. This review shouldn't be 40/40 as it will allow mappers to strive to make bigger and better content. Reviews are a method of encouragement and should be used accordingly.
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I disagree with you. This review shouldn't be 40/40 as it will allow mappers to strive to make bigger and better content. Reviews are a method of encouragement and should be used accordingly.

Depends on person :P
They get 40/40, sometimes people might think that they cant make better map, but maybe they feel like they did good job and can now try to go for another 40/40 :D
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I'm sure this is a great map and is probably deserving of a high score but i cant really agree on anything for a map i cant play
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I'm sure this is a great map and is probably deserving of a high score but i cant really agree on anything for a map i cant play

Why is that?
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Why is that?

Because he plays on this...

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I disagree with you. This review shouldn't be 40/40 as it will allow mappers to strive to make bigger and better content. Reviews are a method of encouragement and should be used accordingly.

lol, so this literally says "it should be impossible to get get top marks"

40/40 doesnt mean its "the" best map, just means its "one of the" best we have seen :)
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Why is that?

Actually what he says is true, I run the map on my pc, and it's perfect, but when I play it on the laptop, it lags even much more than multiplayer
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However if there was a category for bugginess in it's current state it would get a 6-7 at best.. :-\
When I did the ranking categories I intended for bugginess to affect replayability... because if the map is so buggy you don't want to play it anymore it would get a low score for that section. I think in this case even with the bugs its still an extremely replayable map.
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Actually what he says is true, I run the map on my pc, and it's perfect, but when I play it on the laptop, it lags even much more than multiplayer

precisely, virtually unplayable for me, its not like i expected it to run smoothly, but im curious as to whether it was portaled
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precisely, virtually unplayable for me, its not like i expected it to run smoothly, but im curious as to whether it was portaled
Do you know what portalling even does? The best portalling in the world won't make a well detailed map run smoothly if you're running it on this -

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You can't blame the mappers (and yes it is portalled).
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Radimax mentioned a few pages back that the map is only portaled into large chunks, not by rooms. So you're always loading a huge portion of the map that you can't see, even though its portaled. There are rooms where if I look in a certain direction my FPS tanks down to about 30-40, and my computer's no slouch lol. So its no surprise to me that there's people on here with lower end machines struggling to run this map smoothly.
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There seems to be an alarming tendency among the custom community to quickly crown a map as "the best ever" and then withdraw that title in favor of a new map literally two months later.

Alcatraz
Prison Mission
Swan
Project Viking
etc...

All of these maps were at one point called "the best", only to be disqualified once the next map in the list came along.

IMO there can be no "best map" as I don't think that the most Treyarch-esque map is necessarily the best. I find that the custom community is all about pride, personal spirit, and dedication: the greatest maps don't succeed by cloning Treyarch's success. Creators choose their own features, layouts, etc, and just roll with what they like.

For example, I REALLY like the maps Farm Swamp and Penguin. They're old and have default WAW features, so many overlook them -- but the sheer attention to detail, uncompromising theme, and excellent map layouts distinguish them.

I don't really like Leviathan that much. No offense to the team or their excellent work: it's just not my "style" of map. I like older maps that don't have as many modern guns and features, which seems counter-intuitive, but hey, that's where I stand.
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Shotgun, I hear you brother and I know what you are saying. I have played Penguin a TON and I love that map, in fact I love all of Erebus' maps, his map layouts are tremendous but that alone can't carry a map.
I was also not a HUGE fan of Alcatraz, Prison Mission, Project Viking, etc and usually in my reviews for those maps I list very legitimate reasons why people may not like them or things that I feel are flaws. But that doesn't mean that they are not they best for their time and that is all that we can judge.
I like many simpler maps more than I like some of the maps that score 36/40 and higher on UGX, but that doesn't mean that I can say that the maps I like are better than the ones that are well rounded and excel in all the areas that we grade on here at UGX. When I do reviews I try to put aside personal biases and judge the quality of every area from the standpoint of different types of players. It's tough and I'm not saying I hit the nail on the head every time, but I genuinely try and I do my best in hopes that it gives people a good idea of what the map is about and its strengths and weaknesses.
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lol, so this literally says "it should be impossible to get get top marks"

40/40 doesnt mean its "the" best map, just means its "one of the" best we have seen :)

Yes it should be almost impossible, this map isn't to a perfect standard even though it is cool, it just isn't.
If you get 40/40 on a map, what is there to strive for? "Oh I just got a perfect review on my map I'm totally going to want to make a better map to a better standard because there is more that I can do" (Sarcasm).

I bet you there will be maps in the future better than this. I guarantee it. So, how could it be perfect?
If it was one of the best maps it should be at a score of around 38 or 39. Its just a clever tactic to get the best content out of mappers.

If you disagree with me then I have another suggestion: Add in another category (making it out of 50) to be able to critique maps more effectively.

 
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